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2014 NBA Draft

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  •  06-17-2014, 1:34 下午 480932 in reply to 474516

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Noah Vonleh今天到爵士workout, 也許因為爵士是可能選他的最高順位, 在經紀人同意下特別優待: 參加跟其他workout球員3對3對抗賽, 優缺點可以看得更清楚

    結果依我解讀: 身體素質有優勢, 不過workout內容普通, 還有一段時間得要練

    爵士換教練後, 高層對練球員比過去幾年有信心, 如果選他的話不算意外

    他自稱會練得stronger...這點如果去Malone重訓班特訓就沒問題

    加分: 會後的記者訪問, 雖然他長相不聰明, 但應答意外的得體, 態度也不錯, 並不是沒腦或自大的怪咖, 球商可能比預期還好...雖然也許是經紀人或補習班教他講的, 但整體給人的感覺OK
  •  06-17-2014, 11:15 下午 480985 in reply to 480932

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    [高可信度的謠言]

    76人將用第三順位換騎士的狀元簽, 以便能確實選到Wiggins--騎士對Embiid的健康下red flag, 狀元可能改選Wiggins

    但76人不願給第十順位(#3+#10換#1), 而是出#3+Thaddeus Young

    另一個高可信度的謠言是灰狼將在選秀夜送走Love, 會用Love換選秀權, Love肯去又有高選秀順位的... Lakers或Celtics?


  •  06-18-2014, 10:58 上午 481022 in reply to 480985

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Red Jazz:

    [高可信度的謠言]

    76人將用第三順位換騎士的狀元簽, 以便能確實選到Wiggins--騎士對Embiid的健康下red flag, 狀元可能改選Wiggins

    但76人不願給第十順位(#3+#10換#1), 而是出#3+Thaddeus Young

    另一個高可信度的謠言是灰狼將在選秀夜送走Love, 會用Love換選秀權, Love肯去又有高選秀順位的... Lakers或Celtics?

    真換來LOVE就是傷筋動骨的節奏...

    個人對LOVE不反感...但傳聞要用2首輪+SULLY+未來X個首輪換...

    感覺沒有壓到價碼這種事情...不像安吉的作風...

    小弟對於Jazz大你們家的Hayward還比較有興趣的說XD 

    不知道現在Hayward的續約消息有下文嗎?

    依舊是要千萬年薪續約?有先簽後換的機會嗎?

    倘若這季能先弄來Hayward的話,個人覺得LOVE似乎也不是那麼急迫... 

    而且一定比弄來LOVE要付出的還少... 

     




    Boston 18#

    KG GO HOME!!!!!
  •  06-18-2014, 11:52 下午 481074 in reply to 481022

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Chad Ford:

    The Celtics were very busy last week, holding workouts with Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Gary Harris, Nik Stauksas and Doug McDermott, essentially everyone they would consider with the No. 6 pick.

    I still believe that Vonleh, Gordon and Smart are the heavy favorites if Boston keeps the pick, with Gordon being the choice right now given the way we have the draft board playing out.

    But I continue to get strong signals that the Celtics are trying hard to use pick No. 6 and 17 along with future No. 1s and young players such as Jared Sullinger or Kelly Olynyk to persuade the Minnesota Timberwolves to trade them Kevin Love. One source close to the Wolves said that while Flip Saunders does not want to trade Love, he realizes the team likely will lose him this summer and the package the Celtics are offering is probably the best he's going to get. Given the strength of the draft, picks 6, 13 and 17 could land them three young starters to help them rebuild their roster quickly.
    ==
    #6+#17+未來首輪+Sullinger或Olynyk換Love

    沒有跡象爵士會放走Hayward, BOS要想便宜得到白人球星, 最簡單的方法是選McDermott...只要練得好, 他能平均一場得上20分,得分能力有機會能跟Bird比

    而爵士連McDermott都沒workout, McDermott被當成這次選秀爵士如果要放走Hayward的替代品, 但爵士似乎沒這打算

    另外上面Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Gary Harris, Nik Stauksas and Doug McDermott爵士至今也只workout了Vonleh跟Gordon, 不會去選的閒雜人等倒是來了上百位, 讓人覺得爵士的#5是玩假的, 準備付一切代價向上弄到Parker...


  •  06-19-2014, 9:10 上午 481089 in reply to 480932

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Chad Ford:

    關於爵士交易第二順位, 公鹿開價#5+Derrick Favors換#2+Larry Sanders

    ...好貴啊(搖頭)


  •  06-19-2014, 9:26 上午 481090 in reply to 481089

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    誰還記得Josh Hammond拿過年度GM XD
  •  06-19-2014, 9:54 上午 481092 in reply to 481089

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Red Jazz:

    Chad Ford:

    關於爵士交易第二順位, 公鹿開價#5+Derrick Favors換#2+Larry Sanders

    ...好貴啊(搖頭)

    看到Larry Sanders ....   糟糕~ 有點想要笑耶> <

    他不是才剛簽肥約嗎??? 

     

    戀愛果然是盲目的,唯有時間能看透這一切XDDD


    我只會說我的感受和想法,太專業的我不會。
    我不是什麼專家學者,只是個愛看籃球的屁孩 ..

    一個絕對不客觀的湖人狂熱者。
  •  06-19-2014, 9:57 上午 481093 in reply to 481090

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    #5+Derrick Favors換#2+Larry Sanders

    前者4年4690萬, 後者4年4400萬, 都是下季開始的4年

    算上#5跟#2的薪資價差, 真是最佳GM做的完美交易...這麼行你幹嘛給Sanders四年4400萬啊((翻桌

    Favors簽那個算友情價了, 難得有人願意用低於市場行情的薪水留鹽湖城, 爵士道義上是不能這麼賣的

    Sanders簽了肥約就爛掉, 未來4年健康上跟心理上能不能打都是大問號...


  •  06-19-2014, 10:42 上午 481095 in reply to 481074

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Red Jazz:

    Chad Ford:

    The Celtics were very busy last week, holding workouts with Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Gary Harris, Nik Stauksas and Doug McDermott, essentially everyone they would consider with the No. 6 pick.

    I still believe that Vonleh, Gordon and Smart are the heavy favorites if Boston keeps the pick, with Gordon being the choice right now given the way we have the draft board playing out.

    But I continue to get strong signals that the Celtics are trying hard to use pick No. 6 and 17 along with future No. 1s and young players such as Jared Sullinger or Kelly Olynyk to persuade the Minnesota Timberwolves to trade them Kevin Love. One source close to the Wolves said that while Flip Saunders does not want to trade Love, he realizes the team likely will lose him this summer and the package the Celtics are offering is probably the best he's going to get. Given the strength of the draft, picks 6, 13 and 17 could land them three young starters to help them rebuild their roster quickly.
    ==
    #6+#17+未來首輪+Sullinger或Olynyk換Love

    沒有跡象爵士會放走Hayward, BOS要想便宜得到白人球星, 最簡單的方法是選McDermott...只要練得好, 他能平均一場得上20分,得分能力有機會能跟Bird比

    而爵士連McDermott都沒workout, McDermott被當成這次選秀爵士如果要放走Hayward的替代品, 但爵士似乎沒這打算

    另外上面Noah Vonleh, Aaron Gordon, Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Gary Harris, Nik Stauksas and Doug McDermott爵士至今也只workout了Vonleh跟Gordon, 不會去選的閒雜人等倒是來了上百位, 讓人覺得爵士的#5是玩假的, 準備付一切代價向上弄到Parker...

     

    小弟看到的消息也是這樣...

    要出未來首輪權以目前來看是無所謂,但是要出到今年2支首輪就有點...

    雖然安吉之前有放話說沒有續約保證也願意交易來球星

    但是現實面是用了大批的選秀權+潛力股換取LOVE的"一年"使用權 

    個人認為安吉在沒有得到LOVE的續約保證下是不會這麼容易放掉這些得來不易的選秀權

    LOVE方面很明顯的是有市無價,雖然檯面上很多球隊有興趣,但灰狼要的籌碼太苛刻

    灰狼如果有能力得到LOVE先簽後換的保證,那這些籌碼都還有得談

    現在LOVE的經紀團隊擺明了是沒有想要灰狼這些保證的意思,就是鐵了心要走

    反正現在只要時間拖得愈久就對灰狼愈不利,在明年2月前才送走的話,那絕對是認賠殺出

     

    小弟想要Hayward是因為之前他並沒有和爵士順利續約的原因是價碼問題 

    倘若現在有支球隊丟出起薪1200~1400萬的合約給Hayward的話

    不知道爵士方面會毫不猶豫的契合嗎? 

     

    感覺安吉這次還是會從Gordon及Smart兩個裡面選

    McDermott的得分能力確實有目共睹,但天賦上似乎還是不及上述2位 

    況且安吉以這次選秀來看,在第6順位上多還是對有防守的新秀有興趣 




    Boston 18#

    KG GO HOME!!!!!
  •  06-19-2014, 11:00 上午 481096 in reply to 481093

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Walt Perrin(爵士主導今年選秀workout的VP)說:

    他跟Smart的經紀人談過4次, 始終無法讓Smart到鹽湖城workout

    Smart第4順位的魔術已經去過兩次; 第6順位的Celtics也去了, 並且說他樂意在Rondo身後打球; 第7的湖人6月4日就去過了

    Smart之前在推特上寫過: 我想爵士對我沒有興趣...然後又刪掉
     
    電影Draft Day: 關掉你的推特, 別在上面寫任何東西, 那只會讓所有的GM覺得你是個難搞的球員, 降低對你的評價
  •  06-19-2014, 11:27 上午 481105 in reply to 481095

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    asdf90809:

    小弟想要Hayward是因為之前他並沒有和爵士順利續約的原因是價碼問題 

    倘若現在有支球隊丟出起薪1200~1400萬的合約給Hayward的話

    不知道爵士方面會毫不猶豫的契合嗎? 

     

    Hayward至少就我知道爵士沒有放他走的準備, 高層說一定留他, 準備match any offer...不過這種姿態是一定得做的, 免得謠言跟offer滿天飛

    去年爵士爛到谷底, 主場球迷也流失不少, 勉強可以說先蹲後跳準備一年, 但如果一年坦完還要放走看板球員, 對球迷會很難交待; 並且爵士球隊總薪資偏低, MAX並不是付不起; 加上一直沒找McDermott來workout(當年爵士選完Hayward, Korver馬上就出去找工作了, McDermott今天也是這樣的指標), 我判斷match any offer是說真的

    Hayward之前沒有和爵士順利續約的原因是價碼問題...這點是沒錯, 但那時爵士同時給Favors跟Hayward一樣的4年4690萬合約, Favors爽快的簽了, Hayward那邊卻表示"從MAX開始談起,可以減一點不過...", 爵士沒進一步談, 我想也是顧慮Favors的感受, 後來Hayward一直被R.Jefferson曉以大義: 有好地方打球, 一千萬就很多了...我想Ty走後他不滿的情緒已經減少, 之後可以留得住


  •  06-19-2014, 11:50 上午 481106 in reply to 481105

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    Red Jazz:
    asdf90809:

    小弟想要Hayward是因為之前他並沒有和爵士順利續約的原因是價碼問題 

    倘若現在有支球隊丟出起薪1200~1400萬的合約給Hayward的話

    不知道爵士方面會毫不猶豫的契合嗎? 

     

    Hayward至少就我知道爵士沒有放他走的準備, 高層說一定留他, 準備match any offer...不過這種姿態是一定得做的, 免得謠言跟offer滿天飛

    去年爵士爛到谷底, 主場球迷也流失不少, 勉強可以說先蹲後跳準備一年, 但如果一年坦完還要放走看板球員, 對球迷會很難交待; 並且爵士球隊總薪資偏低, MAX並不是付不起; 加上一直沒找McDermott來workout(當年爵士選完Hayward, Korver馬上就出去找工作了, McDermott今天也是這樣的指標), 我判斷match any offer是說真的

    Hayward之前沒有和爵士順利續約的原因是價碼問題...這點是沒錯, 但那時爵士同時給Favors跟Hayward一樣的4年4690萬合約, Favors爽快的簽了, Hayward那邊卻表示"從MAX開始談起,可以減一點不過...", 爵士沒進一步談, 我想也是顧慮Favors的感受, 後來Hayward一直被R.Jefferson曉以大義: 有好地方打球, 一千萬就很多了...我想Ty走後他不滿的情緒已經減少, 之後可以留得住

    感謝Jazz大的分析^^

    看來小弟希望Hayward及Brad合體的妄想可能很難達成了XD

    BOSTON還是乖乖選Gordon來練好了@"@(如果籤位沒有被送走的話) 

     




    Boston 18#

    KG GO HOME!!!!!
  •  06-19-2014, 12:01 下午 481107 in reply to 481105

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    聽說公牛很想積極向上交易 Chad Ford提到#16 + #19去跟金磚換#11  以便選Gary Harris或Nik Stauskas

    老實說 今年比較少看NCAA Harris或Stauskas比賽一場都沒看到 現在只能看看Youtube highlight

    不過看到幾場Rodney Hood和Tyler Ennis的比賽都覺得以射手的條件來看素質都不差

    尤其對Ennis的buzzer beater印象深刻 

    看預測這兩位都落腳在#15~#20左右 我對Gar Forman的選秀眼光也頗具信心

    畢竟這幾年用首輪後段撈到不少好球員 (Taj Gibson, Jimmy Butler, Tony Snell) 

    只不過以今年的選秀深度來看 Harris或Stauskas真的有強到可以抵兩個嗎?

    如果跟巫師Bradley Beal相比又如何?


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  •  06-19-2014, 2:55 下午 481111 in reply to 481107

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    wesdeneo:

    只不過以今年的選秀深度來看 Harris或Stauskas真的有強到可以抵兩個嗎?

    如果跟巫師Bradley Beal相比又如何?

    我很想說... 請公牛不要浪費Harris或Stauskas。

    這兩位都是戰術動物,我對公牛的進攻戰術沒信心。 如果一定要選其中之一,就Harris吧,他應該能靠防守在Thibs手下存活。

    正常人都會覺得公牛應該選Ennis當Rose備胎。

  •  06-19-2014, 4:09 下午 481113 in reply to 481111

    Re: 2014 NBA Draft

    [Julius Randle在爵士workout]

    “I did my homework and spoke to the best foot doctor in the country and there’s no issue with my foot,’’ he said. “I’ve gone through five workouts and I’m ready to go for summer league wherever I am. That’s all I know. I don’t know anything about surgery.’’

    When asked where those rumors might come from, he said, “I can’t worry about that. I’m a basketball player and all I know how to do is work, produce and play hard for my team and care about the person next to me.’’

    Jazz vice president of player personnel Walt Perrin was high on Randle and said the Jazz had “no concerns’’ about his foot. Although he didn’t compare him with Vonleh, Perrin was very high on Randle, who is ranked behind Vonleh in most mock drafts.

    “First and foremost, he’s an absolute great kid — great person,’’ Perrin said, “He has an extremely high motor as a basketball player. He’s a lot stronger than even he realizes. He’s got a great upside.’’

    As for any downsides, Perrin said, “He needs to increase his shooting ability and shooting range. Anybody who comes into the league has to learn how to play better defense.’’

    Randle worked out for the Lakers the day before and many mock drafts have him going there. However, Randle indicated he would be happy to join the Jazz.

    “They have a great new coach and the Jazz organization is tremendous,’’ he said. “I think I fit in well. I’m a very versatile player so I can play many different ways and can adjust to many different situations. It would be a good fit here. Anywhere I go I’m going to try to make something happen. My expectations are for a championship and here would be a great spot for it.’’

    Randle isn’t known as a shooter, but Perrin said he “shot it pretty well’’ from the 20-foot range.
    ==
    Randle完全否認腳有問題需要開刀, 並說會參加夏季聯盟...其實沒事的人會去"spoke to the best foot doctor in the country"?

    Perrin(爵士VP)對他評價很高: 並不擔心腳傷, 能投籃, 比預期stronger...Vonleh被說缺點是不夠strong, 整體評價高過Vonleh

    看起來選他會是即戰力的安全牌
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