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  •  05-30-2011, 2:18 下午 384401 in reply to 384305

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    ghfhf:

    看了一些小牛對雷霆的比賽

    覺得N.Collison防守Dirk的方式

    和06年Haslem很像

    就是不斷推擠

    讓Dirk出手變得不舒服

    但他的命中率還是高得嚇人

    跳投和五年前相比更加無解了

    難怪記者問Haslem當年守Dirk的心得

    他表示這次大家要共同努力

    ( Dirk 06冠軍戰 FG 39% 3P 25% )

    Haslem 和 Collison 防守 Dirk 的任務是一樣的, 那就是:

    1. 試圖截斷隊友傳給 Dirk 的球

    2. 試圖阻止 Dirk 搶佔到他習慣出手的範圍

    這方面, 球隊要借助的是他倆的經驗和爛仗功夫, 因此, 能否阻止 Dirk 得分, 並不是那樣要緊, 基本上我覺得 Collison 已經算是稱職, Haslem 相信也不會差, 這樣做唯一會產生的問題是犯規麻煩

    我之前有提過, 小牛以 Dirk 為核心運轉的進攻套路, 他是分散在三個層面的:

    (1) Mid- Post 範圍

    (2) 有效的 Screen; 以及

    (3) 在 Perimeter 的 Close-Out

    也就是說, 以 Dirk 為中心, 進攻的位置分佈: Nowitzki (1, 2, 3), Terry (2, 3), Kidd (3), Barea (2, 3), Stevenson (3) 還有 Stojakovic (2, 3), 因此 Terry, Barea, Stojakovic  Kidd/Stevenson(此二人為一組), 在比賽過程中一定會有二個會有水準以上的得分 (差別只在於是否上得了場, 以及能否投的進), 再加上 Dirk 本人的得分, 而產生多點開花的效果, 而使對手沒辦法面面俱到 

    因此, 有球隊輸給 Dallas 真正的原因都不是 Nowitzki 本人的高得分, 而是球隊整體 (這方面其實區分先發和板凳得分, 其實有點怪) 的進攻效率不如對手, Thunder 和 Blazers 都是這樣的, 在老哈單守 Dirk 之餘, LeBron 的補防角色是全隊最重要的, 阻運 (Kidd) 和包夾 (Dirk) 時點的判斷, 是否能夠進而讓小牛失掉本身的進攻節奏, 才是最關鍵的  

    有趣的是, 前面有市民認為, 為了因應 Heat 高速的壓迫防守反擊, 認為 Dallas 的進攻應該回到 Dirk 06 年的高位檔拆打法, 以 Dirk 站三分頂弧, 同時向二邊三分底線分球, 我不知是否有誤解, 我還是懷疑, 像是這樣重要的比賽, 卡萊爾敢不敢作這樣大的改變, Dirk 是否還有能力回到五年前的打法

    我覺得, 我們在做預測, 都只能在理論上指出各隊有那些看得到的缺點, 畢竟那就是擺在那裡, 但是實際上球是圓的, 球場上總會有意想不到的事發生, 倒不能因為專家的預測出問題, 就認為賽前的預測沒價值, 就像是心理狀態是沒辦法量化的, 我如果是 ESPN 專家, 籃球之神和時間之神二選一, 我也會選擇相信後者 



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  •  05-30-2011, 2:18 下午 384402 in reply to 384395

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    比較多人希望小牛奪冠不奇怪, 倒是小弟很意外這麼多人看好小牛

    我非常非常希望小牛拿冠軍, Nowitzki跟Kidd抱著獎盃的畫面, 用想像的就令人動容; 熱火拿冠軍我也完全可以接受, 雖然我很討厭LeBron James, 但畢竟James也拼了很多年, 拿個冠軍也算不費之前在騎士獨挑大梁的辛苦

    不過我是比較看好現在的熱火. 大約是5.5:4.5吧! 熱火這幾個系列賽打下來, 已經進化到超級難搞的地步, 三巨頭例行賽時的尷尬不見了, LeBron James又進步了, 開始有收放自如的味道出來, 我完全相信小牛會打出實力, 但我認為此時的熱火, 實力在小牛之上.

    熱火有主場優勢, 但這也是小牛的優勢, 小牛只要前兩場搶得一場, 接下來熱火就要面對連三場在達拉斯出賽的挑戰.

    真的希望是我自己看走眼, 錯估熱火的實力

     

  •  05-30-2011, 2:44 下午 384406 in reply to 384366

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    wwcd007:
    yes907:
    bear99:
    會飛的野獸:

    Pippen 說LBJ有可能比MJ還強 (greatest, 不確定要怎麼翻)...


     

    但反而Pippen以前說過好幾次kobe完全不如MJ

     

     Pippen原意應該是說LBJ未來有機會

    他原意是說MJ是歷史上第一的得分手,但LBJ未來有機會比MJ偉大(greatest)

     

    十次得分王,生涯场均30.123分,季后赛场均得分33.4分,三項都是歷史第一,我覺得是不可能被LBJ破

    所以pippen用偉大(greatest)這個字給LBJ


    LeBron may have lost a chance of becoming the greatest player of all-time by seeking star help, while MJ did not.

    I think LBJ amazed Pippen by his defense and he's so versatile. He shut down D Rose in the series. Stats say, "While guarding Derrick Rose in the conference finals, LeBron James limited the league MVP to just 6.3% shooting."

    jordan的情況跟Lebron不同

    he diddnt need to "seek" all star help

    he got all star help, he got the help of 3 HOF guys, Pippen,Rodman,Phil

    MJ is the GOAT, but saying he was in same situation as Lebron is just ridiculous


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  •  05-30-2011, 2:54 下午 384408 in reply to 384406

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    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    现实面热火4:2

    但强烈希望小牛创造奇迹

     

    支持的nash已经要将成为下个无冕之皇了

    德佬你滚!不准来这!


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  •  05-30-2011, 2:58 下午 384409 in reply to 384301

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    熱火的LBJ平均上場快44分鐘..又助功..又抓板..又要第四節出來關門..一場比賽..幾乎都在場上..

    只要沒犯規麻煩...光是這點..小牛就夠頭痛了.. 所以就不用自動請纓守德國坦克了..只要沒犯規

    麻煩..持續的在場上..相信這就是james給小牛最大的麻煩了..前三節先看另外cd的狀況如何..

    如果ok..就傳傳球..抓抓板..第四節在出來跟德國坦克拼心臟..這就很好看了..大家都說熱火板凳

    很爛~但是看到每一次教練都只用8個人~大部分的得分都集中在三個人身上..重點是球隊贏了..

    因為先發的體力都好像用不完似的..到了第四節防守強度都還是一樣強...假設就用這8個就拿到

    冠軍了..其他沒登入的..如果真的拿到冠軍戒指..感覺應該也很妙了=_=...板凳差..中鋒爛..如果今

    年拿不到冠軍..就知道那裏可以補強..如果就這樣拿到冠軍..一班冠軍陣容不是比較不會有太大變動..

    LCD只有一顆球可以投~所以找來的人應該也只是當苦工..不搶投的..成敗論英雄..好不容易今年沒了

    湖人跟塞爾提克..明年不一定會沒有~所以就珍惜今年能拿冠軍的機會吧...

     

     

  •  05-30-2011, 3:01 下午 384411 in reply to 384406

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    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    各位, 我覺得可以不要再比較 Jordan, Pippen, 或是其他跟 Mavs 和 Heat 無關的了

    請讓討論順暢

    謝謝!

     

  •  05-30-2011, 3:02 下午 384412 in reply to 384402

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    dandelion.:

    比較多人希望小牛奪冠不奇怪, 倒是小弟很意外這麼多人看好小牛

    我非常非常希望小牛拿冠軍, Nowitzki跟Kidd抱著獎盃的畫面, 用想像的就令人動容; 熱火拿冠軍我也完全可以接受, 雖然我很討厭LeBron James, 但畢竟James也拼了很多年, 拿個冠軍也算不費之前在騎士獨挑大梁的辛苦

    不過我是比較看好現在的熱火. 大約是5.5:4.5吧! 熱火這幾個系列賽打下來, 已經進化到超級難搞的地步, 三巨頭例行賽時的尷尬不見了, LeBron James又進步了, 開始有收放自如的味道出來, 我完全相信小牛會打出實力, 但我認為此時的熱火, 實力在小牛之上.

    熱火有主場優勢, 但這也是小牛的優勢, 小牛只要前兩場搶得一場, 接下來熱火就要面對連三場在達拉斯出賽的挑戰.

    真的希望是我自己看走眼, 錯估熱火的實力

     

     

     

    其實我也蠻意外ESPN的專家的預測偏熱火

    我以為總決賽會是勢均力敵   大概專家認為對手層級不一樣吧

    (老經驗塞爾提克+年輕力壯聯盟第一戰績公牛+強悍韌命76人>老衛冕冠軍湖人+年輕衝動的雷霆+傷病纏身有苦說不出的拓荒者)

     

    Ne-Yo版主 分析的很透徹  Chandler一下去  整個防守質量就下滑(小牛時常演練這樣的特色)

     從上一輪來看  Chandler的犯規麻煩大概要持續了(犯規往往賠在Westbrook上)

     

    小牛必須站出來的是Brewer  跟 Haywood(此二君只有第二輪比較顯眼  尤其是Haywood)

    不成功  便成仁     卡萊爾你敢大膽的使用他們嗎!?

    小牛現在唯一不用擔心的問題就是哨子    史騰老大早就為他們預習過了

    不過我還是暗自祈禱   希望第二輪  湖人沒有主場優勢的奇蹟能夠再發生(註:此處無挑釁意味)

     

    至於熱火的防守能不能對小牛發揮   這還是要打過才知道

    公牛跟塞爾提克先給了我們明確的暗示      

     

     

    所以這一季  到底是老將畫下完美的句點

    還是新的時代開啟序幕  

     

    真是讓期待


    God bless mavs
  •  05-30-2011, 3:05 下午 384413 in reply to 384395

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    Ne-Yo:
    VINCE(NT):
    Ne-Yo:
    Argosax41028:
    VINCE(NT):
    OLB:

    預測4:2 ,熱火贏,主客場各掉一場。 

    前面說了那麼多結果還是支持熱火? 

    我笑了wwww

    真是可愛ww 

    請別帶酸. 先警告一次.

     Ne-Yo版大可否指出是誰在酸?

    我想我只是提出疑問,並沒有在酸人的意思 

    這, 明顯不是你, 不用緊張.....

    誰帶酸了

    前面長篇大論像是在支持小牛,結果卻是預測熱火贏,單純就這件事覺得很有趣

    哪裡帶酸,請麻煩講清楚

    我知道你支持小牛 ,但也希望某些事你不要因此這麼敏感


  •  05-30-2011, 3:14 下午 384415 in reply to 384413

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    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    Argosax41028:
    Ne-Yo:
    VINCE(NT):
    Ne-Yo:
    Argosax41028:
    VINCE(NT):
    OLB:


    我想這個酸不酸的誤會可以不用繼續下去了

    這件酸的事情就此打住, 請你們各自寄信給我: roundball.andy@gmail.com

    如果以上任何一位再在討論版繼續討論這件事情, 即使是版主人力最需要的時候, 我也會請各位去禁閉!

     

     

  •  05-30-2011, 4:55 下午 384431 in reply to 384415

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    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    有沒有人知道C.Butler到底能不能打呢?

    如果他能頂替個10~15分鐘,對MAVS是一大利多阿!!

  •  05-30-2011, 5:23 下午 384437 in reply to 384431

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    ut1115:

    有沒有人知道C.Butler到底能不能打呢?

    如果他能頂替個10~15分鐘,對MAVS是一大利多阿!!

    感覺他現在上不上場都很尷尬

    能力他是有、但能拿出多少來貢獻?

    現在已經是Final、跟他對位的又是兩位生化人

    Rick有多大心臟敢放他上去?

     

    以Mavs階段來看、目前外圍火力在這三輪出現斷層的場次極少

    (印象中啦...有錯請指正)

    就算防守端Peja被爆、進攻端也能討回來

    現在前兩場對Mavs極為重要

    我覺得要他上場機率

    應該只有30%不到...

  •  05-30-2011, 5:27 下午 384438 in reply to 384406

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    bobthefob39:
    wwcd007:
    yes907:
    bear99:
    會飛的野獸:

    Pippen 說LBJ有可能比MJ還強 (greatest, 不確定要怎麼翻)...


     

    但反而Pippen以前說過好幾次kobe完全不如MJ

     

     Pippen原意應該是說LBJ未來有機會

    他原意是說MJ是歷史上第一的得分手,但LBJ未來有機會比MJ偉大(greatest)

     

    十次得分王,生涯场均30.123分,季后赛场均得分33.4分,三項都是歷史第一,我覺得是不可能被LBJ破

    所以pippen用偉大(greatest)這個字給LBJ


    LeBron may have lost a chance of becoming the greatest player of all-time by seeking star help, while MJ did not.

    I think LBJ amazed Pippen by his defense and he's so versatile. He shut down D Rose in the series. Stats say, "While guarding Derrick Rose in the conference finals, LeBron James limited the league MVP to just 6.3% shooting."

    jordan的情況跟Lebron不同

    he diddnt need to "seek" all star help

    he got all star help, he got the help of 3 HOF guys, Pippen,Rodman,Phil

    MJ is the GOAT, but saying he was in same situation as Lebron is just ridiculous

    MJ already got 3 rings BEFORE the 72-win Bulls. I agreed in this team he got some big help from Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper. In his first 3-peat, Scottie Pippen developed with the Bulls/Jordan into an all-star but he's never a team's #1 offensive option like D-Wade in Miami Heat. Before their first championship, MJ Bulls lost to the Pistons for 3 consecutive seasons. Any new star addition to the Bulls? No.

    Needless to say, LeBron joined the Heat where Wade already got a ring and won the Finals MVP.

    They were not in the same situation but the point is -- Great players accept/demand responsibility. LeBron chose the eazy way out. You can't be winner without a challenge.  


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  •  05-30-2011, 6:12 下午 384449 in reply to 384437

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    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    想到小牛有兩個先發中鋒

    還在愁敢不敢用Haywood

    熱火這邊能用的只有6呎9吋的J.Anthony

    其他那些老兵

    都只是來混枚戒指的 (或是等退休)

    已經準備好爆米花等好戲上演

    就很想念06年大歐和ZO鎮守禁區的日子

    不過Anthony不用怕

    還有隊長Haslem陪你一起拼

    加油



    LET'S GO HEAT !!!
  •  05-30-2011, 6:19 下午 384452 in reply to 384438

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    wwcd007:
    bobthefob39:
    wwcd007:
    yes907:
    bear99:
    會飛的野獸:

    Pippen 說LBJ有可能比MJ還強 (greatest, 不確定要怎麼翻)...


     

    但反而Pippen以前說過好幾次kobe完全不如MJ

     

     Pippen原意應該是說LBJ未來有機會

    他原意是說MJ是歷史上第一的得分手,但LBJ未來有機會比MJ偉大(greatest)

     

    十次得分王,生涯场均30.123分,季后赛场均得分33.4分,三項都是歷史第一,我覺得是不可能被LBJ破

    所以pippen用偉大(greatest)這個字給LBJ


    LeBron may have lost a chance of becoming the greatest player of all-time by seeking star help, while MJ did not.

    I think LBJ amazed Pippen by his defense and he's so versatile. He shut down D Rose in the series. Stats say, "While guarding Derrick Rose in the conference finals, LeBron James limited the league MVP to just 6.3% shooting."

    jordan的情況跟Lebron不同

    he diddnt need to "seek" all star help

    he got all star help, he got the help of 3 HOF guys, Pippen,Rodman,Phil

    MJ is the GOAT, but saying he was in same situation as Lebron is just ridiculous

    MJ already got 3 rings BEFORE the 72-win Bulls. I agreed in this team he got some big help from Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper. In his first 3-peat, Scottie Pippen developed with the Bulls/Jordan into an all-star but he's never a team's #1 offensive option like D-Wade in Miami Heat. Before their first championship, MJ Bulls lost to the Pistons for 3 consecutive seasons. Any new star addition to the Bulls? No.

    Needless to say, LeBron joined the Heat where Wade already got a ring and won the Finals MVP.

    They were not in the same situation but the point is -- Great players accept/demand responsibility. LeBron chose the eazy way out. You can't be winner without a challenge.  

    easy way out...lol

    Lebron 在騎士有任何stars的隊友???, at least MJ had pippen and horace grant in the 1st 3-peat, and a soon to be legendary Phil jackson

    His clutchness this playoffs show that he accepts and demand responsibility

    He is the best player on this team...period

    there is a reason why scottie gave him so much praise, i would think he knows more about basketball than you or me


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  •  05-30-2011, 7:58 下午 384463 in reply to 384452

    Re: 總冠軍賽: (2)Miami Heat vs (3)Dallas Mavericks

    bobthefob39:
    wwcd007:
    bobthefob39:
    wwcd007:
    yes907:
    bear99:
    會飛的野獸:

    Pippen 說LBJ有可能比MJ還強 (greatest, 不確定要怎麼翻)...


     

    但反而Pippen以前說過好幾次kobe完全不如MJ

     

     Pippen原意應該是說LBJ未來有機會

    他原意是說MJ是歷史上第一的得分手,但LBJ未來有機會比MJ偉大(greatest)

     

    十次得分王,生涯场均30.123分,季后赛场均得分33.4分,三項都是歷史第一,我覺得是不可能被LBJ破

    所以pippen用偉大(greatest)這個字給LBJ


    LeBron may have lost a chance of becoming the greatest player of all-time by seeking star help, while MJ did not.

    I think LBJ amazed Pippen by his defense and he's so versatile. He shut down D Rose in the series. Stats say, "While guarding Derrick Rose in the conference finals, LeBron James limited the league MVP to just 6.3% shooting."

    jordan的情況跟Lebron不同

    he diddnt need to "seek" all star help

    he got all star help, he got the help of 3 HOF guys, Pippen,Rodman,Phil

    MJ is the GOAT, but saying he was in same situation as Lebron is just ridiculous

    MJ already got 3 rings BEFORE the 72-win Bulls. I agreed in this team he got some big help from Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper. In his first 3-peat, Scottie Pippen developed with the Bulls/Jordan into an all-star but he's never a team's #1 offensive option like D-Wade in Miami Heat. Before their first championship, MJ Bulls lost to the Pistons for 3 consecutive seasons. Any new star addition to the Bulls? No.

    Needless to say, LeBron joined the Heat where Wade already got a ring and won the Finals MVP.

    They were not in the same situation but the point is -- Great players accept/demand responsibility. LeBron chose the eazy way out. You can't be winner without a challenge.  

    easy way out...lol

    Lebron 在騎士有任何stars的隊友???, at least MJ had pippen and horace grant in the 1st 3-peat, and a soon to be legendary Phil jackson

    His clutchness this playoffs show that he accepts and demand responsibility

    He is the best player on this team...period

    there is a reason why scottie gave him so much praise, i would think he knows more about basketball than you or me

    LeBron had no star teammate in Cavs, so he chose to leave. Phil Jax is vastly overrated.

    LeBron showed little or no clutchness before this year playoffs. Ask CLE fans where those clutch shots were when LBJ was a Cav.  

    Pip... LOL. How about 6 rings first?  then there will be debate.


    "Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what's puzzling you
    is the nature of my game." -- Sympathy for the devil, GN'R.
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